How to Turn a Complex Product Into a Brand the Market Remembers | Marlena Sarunac | 360
Thu Feb 05 2026
In this episode of SaaS Fuel, host Jeff Mains sits down with Marlena Sarunac, co-founder of The Company Advice and marketing strategist for early-stage startups in complex, regulated industries like HealthTech, FinTech, and InsurTech. Marlena shares her "playbook nicely" approach—a proven framework that helps founders avoid reinventing the wheel while building go-to-market foundations that scale.
The conversation explores why letting products "speak for themselves" is a dangerous myth in today's saturated market, how to translate technical complexity into clear messaging that resonates, and why focus beats trying to appeal to everyone. Marlena reveals common messaging traps (including ChatGPT-generated clichés like "turning chaos into clarity"), the critical difference between selling to buyers versus users, and how to navigate pivots without losing credibility.
Key Takeaways4:43 - The Playbook Nicely Approach
6:24 - Translating Complexity into Clarity
11:04 - Why "Product Speaks for Itself" is Dangerous
15:34 - Common Messaging Traps
17:42 - Buyers vs. Users
21:05 - Building Trust
22:51 - Navigating Pivots
24:53 - AI and the Human Spark
28:46 - Visual Identity Matters More Than Ever
32:06 - Brand Debt
39:18 - SEO/AIO Strategy
42:36 - Marketing as R&D, Not a Cost Center
Tweetable Quotes"Startups don't have time to burn creating playbooks from scratch. Tap into what's been tried and true, then iterate as market signals evolve." - Marlena Sarunac"If I see another company say they 'turned chaos into clarity,' I'm going to scream. That's such a ChatGPT tell." - Marlena Sarunac"Features matter to users. Benefits matter to buyers. Don't confuse the two." - Marlena Sarunac"If you're making the right pivot, the audience you're pivoting away from won't care—they weren't showing traction anyway." - Marlena Sarunac"Treat AI like an early-career intern. It's great for automating tedious tasks, but you need humans in the loop to ensure differentiation."- Marlena Sarunac"Just like technical debt, brand debt accumulates when you take shortcuts. You'll pay for it eventually—and it'll be expensive." - Marlena Sarunac"Marketing isn't a cost center—it's the connective tissue between product and sales. Eliminating it is shortsighted." - Marlena SarunacSaaS Leadership Lessons1. Focus Beats BreadthTrying to sell to everyone dilutes your message and confuses the market. Get disciplined: focus on 1-3 buyer personas maximum. You can always expand later, but early-stage startups need clarity and traction, not broad appeal that resonates with no one.
2. Separate Buyers from UsersYour buyers (decision-makers) and users (end-users) have different needs. Buyers care about business outcomes and ROI; users care about features and usability. Tailor your messaging accordingly: high-level benefits for buyers, detailed use cases and documentation for users.
3. Build in Public, Iterate FastDon't wait for perfection. Put messaging out there when you're "half comfortable," gather market feedback, and iterate quickly. Use flexible systems (landing pages, modular websites) that allow rapid updates without massive overhauls....
More
In this episode of SaaS Fuel, host Jeff Mains sits down with Marlena Sarunac, co-founder of The Company Advice and marketing strategist for early-stage startups in complex, regulated industries like HealthTech, FinTech, and InsurTech. Marlena shares her "playbook nicely" approach—a proven framework that helps founders avoid reinventing the wheel while building go-to-market foundations that scale. The conversation explores why letting products "speak for themselves" is a dangerous myth in today's saturated market, how to translate technical complexity into clear messaging that resonates, and why focus beats trying to appeal to everyone. Marlena reveals common messaging traps (including ChatGPT-generated clichés like "turning chaos into clarity"), the critical difference between selling to buyers versus users, and how to navigate pivots without losing credibility. Key Takeaways4:43 - The Playbook Nicely Approach 6:24 - Translating Complexity into Clarity 11:04 - Why "Product Speaks for Itself" is Dangerous 15:34 - Common Messaging Traps 17:42 - Buyers vs. Users 21:05 - Building Trust 22:51 - Navigating Pivots 24:53 - AI and the Human Spark 28:46 - Visual Identity Matters More Than Ever 32:06 - Brand Debt 39:18 - SEO/AIO Strategy 42:36 - Marketing as R&D, Not a Cost Center Tweetable Quotes"Startups don't have time to burn creating playbooks from scratch. Tap into what's been tried and true, then iterate as market signals evolve." - Marlena Sarunac"If I see another company say they 'turned chaos into clarity,' I'm going to scream. That's such a ChatGPT tell." - Marlena Sarunac"Features matter to users. Benefits matter to buyers. Don't confuse the two." - Marlena Sarunac"If you're making the right pivot, the audience you're pivoting away from won't care—they weren't showing traction anyway." - Marlena Sarunac"Treat AI like an early-career intern. It's great for automating tedious tasks, but you need humans in the loop to ensure differentiation."- Marlena Sarunac"Just like technical debt, brand debt accumulates when you take shortcuts. You'll pay for it eventually—and it'll be expensive." - Marlena Sarunac"Marketing isn't a cost center—it's the connective tissue between product and sales. Eliminating it is shortsighted." - Marlena SarunacSaaS Leadership Lessons1. Focus Beats BreadthTrying to sell to everyone dilutes your message and confuses the market. Get disciplined: focus on 1-3 buyer personas maximum. You can always expand later, but early-stage startups need clarity and traction, not broad appeal that resonates with no one. 2. Separate Buyers from UsersYour buyers (decision-makers) and users (end-users) have different needs. Buyers care about business outcomes and ROI; users care about features and usability. Tailor your messaging accordingly: high-level benefits for buyers, detailed use cases and documentation for users. 3. Build in Public, Iterate FastDon't wait for perfection. Put messaging out there when you're "half comfortable," gather market feedback, and iterate quickly. Use flexible systems (landing pages, modular websites) that allow rapid updates without massive overhauls....