Tailgate Talks

In this episode of Tailgate Talks, I sit down with M.J. James, author of Heal the Hustle, for an honest and timely conversation about burnout, productivity culture, and what it really means to live—and lead—well. Many of us were taught that hustle equals success. Work harder. Push longer. Rest later. But what happens when that mindset starts to cost us our health, relationships, creativity, and joy? M.J. challenges the traditional hustle narrative and offers a healthier, more sustainable way forward—especially for leaders, high performers, and purpose-driven professionals who care deeply about their work. Together, we talk about: How hustle culture quietly leads to burnout The difference between ambition and exhaustion Why rest is not a reward—it's a requirement Reframing productivity to include health and humanity Practical ways leaders can model balance without losing effectiveness How healing the hustle creates stronger teams, better decisions, and longer careers This conversation is especially relevant for public servants, park and recreation professionals, nonprofit leaders, and anyone who feels called to serve—but doesn't want to lose themselves in the process. If you've ever felt tired, stretched thin, or wondered, "Is this pace really sustainable?"—this episode is for you. About the Guest M.J. James is the author of Heal the Hustle and a passionate advocate for redefining success in a world that glorifies burnout. Through her work, she helps individuals and organizations rethink productivity, prioritize well-being, and build lives rooted in purpose—not constant pressure. 🔗 Learn more about M.J. and her work: mjjames.com   donald.forgione@gmail.com tailgate-talks.com