The Last Bubble? Finding Value in a World on Fire | Jeremy Grantham & Edward Chancellor
Mon Feb 02 2026
In Episode 461 of Hidden Forces, Demetri Kofinas speaks with co-founder and chief investment strategist of GMO, Jeremy Grantham, and financial historian, journalist, and investment strategist Edward Chancellor. Together, they have collaborated on Jeremy's autobiography, titled "The Making of a Permabear," which chronicles Grantham's evolution as a value investor and the valuable lessons that can be learned from his six-decade career in investment management.
They spend the first hour of their conversation discussing the collaboration behind the book, Grantham's formative experiences in finance, the principles that have guided his investment philosophy, the role of mean reversion in asset markets, and why they both believe that US equities are more overvalued today than at almost any point in history—with important implications for where returns will come from over the next decade.
The second hour is devoted to a conversation about the mechanics of financial bubbles, the relationship between ultra-low interest rates and asset price inflation, Jeremy's framework for navigating overvalued markets by shifting capital to international and emerging market equities, the challenges of selecting investment managers, and Grantham's deep concerns about existential risks to human civilization—including climate change, resource scarcity, and the toxic assault on human fertility that he believes poses an underappreciated threat to our species' long-term survival.
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Episode Recorded on 01/28/2026
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In Episode 461 of Hidden Forces, Demetri Kofinas speaks with co-founder and chief investment strategist of GMO, Jeremy Grantham, and financial historian, journalist, and investment strategist Edward Chancellor. Together, they have collaborated on Jeremy's autobiography, titled "The Making of a Permabear," which chronicles Grantham's evolution as a value investor and the valuable lessons that can be learned from his six-decade career in investment management. They spend the first hour of their conversation discussing the collaboration behind the book, Grantham's formative experiences in finance, the principles that have guided his investment philosophy, the role of mean reversion in asset markets, and why they both believe that US equities are more overvalued today than at almost any point in history—with important implications for where returns will come from over the next decade. The second hour is devoted to a conversation about the mechanics of financial bubbles, the relationship between ultra-low interest rates and asset price inflation, Jeremy's framework for navigating overvalued markets by shifting capital to international and emerging market equities, the challenges of selecting investment managers, and Grantham's deep concerns about existential risks to human civilization—including climate change, resource scarcity, and the toxic assault on human fertility that he believes poses an underappreciated threat to our species' long-term survival. Subscribe to our premium content—including our premium feed, episode transcripts, and Intelligence Reports—by visiting HiddenForces.io/subscribe. If you'd like to join the conversation and become a member of the Hidden Forces Genius community—with benefits like Q&A calls with guests, exclusive research and analysis, in-person events, and dinners—you can also sign up on our subscriber page at HiddenForces.io/subscribe. If you enjoyed today's episode of Hidden Forces, please support the show by: Subscribing on Apple Podcasts, YouTube, Spotify, Stitcher, SoundCloud, CastBox, or via our RSS Feed Writing us a review on Apple Podcasts & Spotify Join our mailing list at https://hiddenforces.io/newsletter/ Producer & Host: Demetri Kofinas Editor & Engineer: Stylianos Nicolaou Subscribe and support the podcast at https://hiddenforces.io. Join the conversation on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter at @hiddenforcespod Follow Demetri on Twitter at @Kofinas Episode Recorded on 01/28/2026