Navigate What You Cannot Control | Leadership, Crisis & Complexity with Thomas Jepson-Lay
Sun Feb 08 2026
Leadership is often judged by confidence and certainty. But in reality, the most defining moments of leadership occur when clarity disappears.
In this episode of The Change Agent, Eric Adams is joined by Thomas Jepson-Lay, executive coach and former senior humanitarian leader, to explore what leadership actually demands when control is impossible.
Drawing on nearly two decades leading emergency responses across conflict zones and disaster environments, Thomas unpacks:
why vulnerability can stabilise teams under pressurehow leaders unknowingly default to past behaviours in moments of fearwhat it means to move from intention-based leadership to consequence-aware leadershipwhy complex and “wicked” problems cannot be solved with linear thinkinghow trust, nervous-system awareness, and perspective-sharing shape better decisionsThis is not a conversation about tools or techniques.
It is a conversation about responsibility, judgement, and who leaders become when certainty is no longer available.
If you lead people, teams, or systems in high-stakes environments — this episode will challenge how you think about control, authority, and decision-making.
Learn more about Thomas Jepson-Lay and his mission:
https://www.thomasjepsonlay.com/
Check out his podcast - The Sector Debrief
Send us a message and let’s connect!
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Leadership is often judged by confidence and certainty. But in reality, the most defining moments of leadership occur when clarity disappears. In this episode of The Change Agent, Eric Adams is joined by Thomas Jepson-Lay, executive coach and former senior humanitarian leader, to explore what leadership actually demands when control is impossible. Drawing on nearly two decades leading emergency responses across conflict zones and disaster environments, Thomas unpacks: why vulnerability can stabilise teams under pressurehow leaders unknowingly default to past behaviours in moments of fearwhat it means to move from intention-based leadership to consequence-aware leadershipwhy complex and “wicked” problems cannot be solved with linear thinkinghow trust, nervous-system awareness, and perspective-sharing shape better decisionsThis is not a conversation about tools or techniques. It is a conversation about responsibility, judgement, and who leaders become when certainty is no longer available. If you lead people, teams, or systems in high-stakes environments — this episode will challenge how you think about control, authority, and decision-making. Learn more about Thomas Jepson-Lay and his mission: https://www.thomasjepsonlay.com/ Check out his podcast - The Sector Debrief Send us a message and let’s connect! Support the show Support Our Show On Apple Podcasts! Support Us On YouTube by Subscribing! Support Our Show On Spotify! Learn More On Our Website! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Support the show to help us continue! https://www.buzzsprout.com/2449509/support