The Office Was Never the Problem
Thu Feb 05 2026
In this episode of The Resilience Lab, recorded live at the Workspaces Conference in Napa, Rex Miller sits down with Sara Escobar and Corrine Murray, co-authors of the new book Work Then Place: a bold reframing of how organizations should think about work, leadership, and the workplace.
With decades of experience spanning Hulu, Netflix, Riot Games, CBRE, WeWork, and American Express, Sara and Corrine bring rare, hard-earned insight into why so many workplace strategies fail…and what actually works.
This conversation goes beyond office design and hybrid policy debates to tackle the real issues holding organizations back:
Why defining work must come before designing placeHow fear and outdated management models undermine performanceWhy behavior change, not buildings, is the hardest and most essential challengeWhat leaders and managers need to do differently to create resilient, high-performing teamsHow to operationalize purpose, measure real work, and adapt in constant changeIf you’re a leader, manager, workplace strategist, HR professional, or anyone navigating the future of work, this episode offers practical insight, grounded frameworks, and a clear call to rethink how work actually gets done.
This isn’t about perks, ping-pong tables, or mandates.
It’s about making work suck less…on purpose.
Subscribe to The Resilience Lab for conversations on resilience, leadership, workplace strategy, and the human side of performance, and share this episode with someone who’s wrestling with how work is changing.
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In this episode of The Resilience Lab, recorded live at the Workspaces Conference in Napa, Rex Miller sits down with Sara Escobar and Corrine Murray, co-authors of the new book Work Then Place: a bold reframing of how organizations should think about work, leadership, and the workplace. With decades of experience spanning Hulu, Netflix, Riot Games, CBRE, WeWork, and American Express, Sara and Corrine bring rare, hard-earned insight into why so many workplace strategies fail…and what actually works. This conversation goes beyond office design and hybrid policy debates to tackle the real issues holding organizations back: Why defining work must come before designing placeHow fear and outdated management models undermine performanceWhy behavior change, not buildings, is the hardest and most essential challengeWhat leaders and managers need to do differently to create resilient, high-performing teamsHow to operationalize purpose, measure real work, and adapt in constant changeIf you’re a leader, manager, workplace strategist, HR professional, or anyone navigating the future of work, this episode offers practical insight, grounded frameworks, and a clear call to rethink how work actually gets done. This isn’t about perks, ping-pong tables, or mandates. It’s about making work suck less…on purpose. Subscribe to The Resilience Lab for conversations on resilience, leadership, workplace strategy, and the human side of performance, and share this episode with someone who’s wrestling with how work is changing. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.