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Wisdom, Perspective and Hope on the Border: A Wisdom Conversation with Gil Gillenwater Welcome back to The Main Thing Podcast. We recently engaged in a meaningful and transformative conversation with Gil Gillenwater, a trailblazing humanitarian leader. Gil has devoted his life to serving people in the U.S.–Mexico borderlands. This conversation offers listeners a deeper, more grounded understanding of the southern border, beyond headlines, politics, and talking points. Let's be clear from the outset: if you think this episode is about free handouts or opening up our borders to everyone, you are sorely mistaken. Your eyes will be dramatically opened when you listen to Gil's wisdom. What unfolds is a focused, human conversation about dignity, responsibility, faith, and hope—shared by someone who has lived and worked in the borderlands for decades. Podcast Resources & Links Rancho Feliz Charitable Foundation (Gil's nonprofit): https://ranchofeliz.com/   Gil Gillenwater's book — "Hope on the Border" https://a.co/d/ciQvuDI  (From Amazon)   Videos about Rancho Feliz https://youtube.com/@ranchofeliz?si=JctJeBTZSm2M2ycT   Gil and Troy's Epic 1982 Journey - The Arizona Trail https://www.arizonahighways.com/archive/issues/chapter/Doc.1506.Chapter.7   A Focused Wisdom Conversation This episode invites listeners to elevate their perspective on one of the most complex and misunderstood issues in American life by hearing directly from someone with lived experience on the border. Gil shares what decades of service have taught him about humility, human dignity, leadership, and faith—offering insight that replaces assumption with understanding and reaction with clarity.   What You'll Learn in This Episode How lived experience reshapes our understanding of the U.S.–Mexico border Why responsibility and dignity matter as much as compassion What long-term service teaches us about leadership and humility How faith can inform action without relying on easy answers   More About Our Wise Guest Gil Gillenwater is the founder and president of the Rancho Feliz Charitable Foundation, an award-winning nonprofit dedicated to long-term, dignity-centered service in the U.S.–Mexico borderlands. His work has been recognized with Arizona's highest honor for volunteerism, as well as formal recognition from Mexican authorities. Gil is also the author of Hope on the Border, a deeply human account of life and service in the borderlands, highlighting both hard realities and quiet acts of redemption.   Why This Episode Matters Few topics generate more emotion—and less understanding—than America's southern border. This episode is for anyone willing to have assumptions challenged and perspective expanded.   Credits Editor + Technical Advisor Bob Hotchkiss Brand + Strategy Advisor Andy Malinoski PR + Partnerships Advisor Rachel Bell Marketing, Social Media and Graphic Design Chloe Lineberg   Stay Connected with Us on Social YouTube @themainthingpod Instagram @themainthingpod Facebook  @TheMainThingPod LinkedIn   Help Support and Sustain This Podcast Become a subscriber. Share the podcast with one or two friends. Follow us on social media @TheMainThingPod Buy some Main Thing Merch from our Merchandise Store. Buy a book from our curated wisdom collection on bookshop.org. Become a patron and support us on Patreon with funding.   Episode Chapters [00:00] — Wisdom, Perspective, and the Need for a Broader View [01:19] — Why the Southern Border Demands Wisdom, Not Sound Bites [02:03] — Meet Gil Gillenwater: A Life Devoted to the Borderlands [03:22] — Walking Arizona and the Power of Public Lands [05:43] — The First Trip That Changed Everything; Skipping Thanksgiving [09:01] — Dignity, Not Handouts: The Lesson That Reshaped His Mission [11:20] — What Americans Aren't Seeing About the Border [15:01] — Walls, Human Suffering, and Hard Truths [18:11] — Enlightened Self-Interest and the Power of Service [24:21] — Gil's "Main Thing": Service as a Portal to an Abundant Life [30:52] — Rancho Feliz and an Invitation to Participate [31:40] — A Parting Word on Interconnection and Shared Humanity